My new job has on-site day care. That site is still being built and isn't ready to show but I made an appointment today to meet the director and visit their other site. I was not impressed.
Here are the pros and cons of each. I have a couple of weeks to make a decision. Help!
NEW DAYCARE
Pros:
* in my building (I can peek in on her at any time and maybe we can have lunch together?)
* $180 a month cheaper (I pay $1,000/mo. now--well, plus $45 biweekly summer camp surcharge-- but it drops to $780 when she turns 26 months, next month. The new daycare will be $600/mo. so it's significantly less than I pay now and will be $180 cheaper than my current place will be in the fall.)
Cons:
* director seemed to lack knowledge of child development and education (He said that 2 year olds learn all their numbers, letters and sounds and by three they can write their name and read. I asked what curriculum they used to teach these skills and he said, "There are all sorts of curriculums [sic] out there like Creative Curriculum... but we just kind of do our thing." Huh?! Then I said, "Well, my daughter is a second language learner and such an academic curriculum may not be developmentally appropriate for her. Do you differentiate and if so, how?" And his response: "No, we don't differentiate. Don't worry your child will be able to do it." Wrong answer.)
* too academic, not enough play (saw three year olds doing worksheets)
* they watch videos once a week (why??)
* saw a kid being dragged in by his mother (he clearly did not want to be there)
Unknowns:
* Will the fact that it's in a school setting in a very involved neighborhood and community make a difference in what or how they are taught at the new site? I can't imagine the school community and neighborhood families putting up with a uncreative, worksheet-driven, fly by the seat of your pants curriculum. But they won the bid to be in my building so maybe whoever made the decision to bring them onsite was impressed with something.
* What will the classroom set up be like? There are only going to be two rooms allotted for the daycare for 2, 3 and 4 year olds. I know the two year old classroom will have 12 children. I am assuming the 3 and 4 year old classrooms will also have as many kids. That is sounding very crowded and chaotic but then again, that's what my current daycare is like as well and it seems to work.
* If I am ultimately unhappy with her care, will expressing my concerns create a rift with my new colleagues? This concerns me. The daycare is right down the hall from the Kindergarten classrooms. We all need to get along. Will expressing my concerns about my child's happiness be met with understanding or will it create problems?
*I don't feel terribly comfortable changing her caregivers again. She has had a lot of change in her short little life and although she may be fine, I don't think it's beneficial.
* And most importantly, will she be happy and I stress-free? I am starting a new job and I can't have her unhappy or me worrying about her daycare be on my list.
CURRENT DAYCARE
Pros:
* she seems happy and likes to go each day
* they don't seem to stress academics until age 4 (or at least at Naomi's age they learn through play)
* I believe the staff to be knowledgeable about child development and loving
Cons:
* they feed her junk food
* they blare music
* it's $200/mo. more
* it's not on-site (it's 5 minutes away from work, adding ten minutes to my commute)
The biggest issue is the new site isn't built yet so I can't see her actual classroom or speak to her teachers directly, so it's hard to know if she or I will be happy with it. The problem with waiting til September, though, is it will most likely be full. Basically I need to decide in the next couple of weeks where I want her to be without having full information. And where ever I choose, she will most likely have to stay the following year as well as both places will likely be at capacity next year.
Any comments or suggestions would be very helpful! Thanks.
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If it were me, I'd leave her where she is. You know already that it's generally good. She's happy there and she's already had enough transition in her short life. I think I would feel differently if you could see the new school completed and talk to the teachers. Since you can't, I'd wait to see what it's like before considering moving her. That's my opinion anyway. Good luck making a decision.
I don't have any words of wisdom, except maybe "go with your gut and where you think she will be safe and happy." But it's a tough decision, for me the financial part would be really tempting even though I don't much like the sound of the on-site place.
Yikes! Such a tough decision. (btw, I'm a lurker and fellow IAG AP who has been following your blog since before you traveled.)
I don't like the lack of knowledge of the director of the new daycare, but my experience is that the quality of "education/play" comes from the teacher, not the director. If you have a great teacher, hooey on the director!
Worksheets may or may not be a bad thing. I can't tell from your context. If they are just allowing the kids to draw and be creative on them, that's one thing. If they are grading and criticizing the kids, WRONG.
As for the current daycare, the food and the blaring of music would be deal breakers for me. I fully believe we are what we take in (not that I'm pure and organic, but we try hard to eat mostly natural). Being able to nourish their little bodies both from the inside and the outside is important to me. Junk food would not be tolerated except as an occasional treat. As for the loud music, I read a study published by the authors of NurtureShock that showed links between children's ability to read and think cognitively and being immersed in loud noises (i.e. near airports, subways, train tracks, etc.) which is why the loud music piece would concern me.
All that to say that from the point of view of nourishing my child (body and mind), it sounds like I might have concerns with the current daycare, and would probably reserve a spot in the new one.
I don't know if this is possible, but if you reserve a spot, could you then back out later? i.e. Perhaps after you've seen the classroom and talked to the teacher?
Best of luck in your decision!
As a current preschool teacher trainer, go with the old place. I would be so much more concerned about the worksheets and television and lack of knowledge of child development. Unless you know the teacher in her room will take a developmental approach, but then you already know what the approach will be in the other rooms.
If it were going to add 30 or 45 minutes to your commute, I may consider the move (nah, I still wouldn't), but a place that has an emphasis on academics at this age? No!
The junk food? I'd just be the squeeky wheel about that...and the music too. Playing music, but not blaring it. Music is important, but it souldn't be so loud that it overpowers the environment. Honestly, compared to the issues at the new place? I think it's worth the money...then again, it's not my money.
(Oh, fyi, I have been lurking around here for some time, sorry I haven't made myself known prior. I forget how I found you, a link from a link from a link I'm sure, but I love reading your blog and hearing about your amazing adventure with your daughter. I'm not going to promise to be more vocal, but I will keep reading. I always make myself known when a topic that's important to me comes up...like this!)
worksheets are disgusting for that age. The daycare that Quinn was in from 5 mos to 4 years didn't have a stated curriculum and that bothered some of my friends who never put their children in there. It also had several adopted children for whom English was a second language. They did very well without having anything special done for them.
I loved his daycare. They were warm and loving and he liked to be there and felt safe and secure.
I truly believe at this age it's about being some place they like to be. Daycare teaches so much socially and they will get their letters and numbers and all the other stuff so easily.
I would think hard before changing her again if you don't have to only because of the changes she's already been through.
As far as the junk food, you can help to change that as much as possible. Daycare often has to stay with a lot of frozen type foodstuffs so the new place might be just as bad.
That said, $200 a month difference is a lot! If you do choose to send her to the new place she will be fine. There really is no perfect. In the best schools there are really bad teachers. In the worst daycares there are really amazing childcare teachers that love on the child and make them feel secure. So...
It's so difficult! I don't know that any of what I said helps. I wish it was easier.
Seeing you throughout the day though would probably be a really good thing!
I can't say that I can tell you what to do. But, I can say that I have been facing some of the same decisions. I have lists of pros and cons about my current and other daycares. I am staying put due to not wanting my daughter to transition to a new center (it's bad enough having to transition to new classes every few months). And, they are open longer and very few closure days. But, sometimes I think we should transition because in the long run it will be better for her. My daughter turned 2 in May and we came home March 2009/started daycare June 2009. There isn't an obvious decision for us, just like I feel there is not one for you. Go with your gut. Where will she be happiest?
With this curriculum in the new daycare, do kids have the choice to opt out and just play? Can you be sure that they will have healthier foods? How do they compare in terms of time spent outdoors? It would be great to have your girl close by, although I realized that the amount of lunch dates that actually happened with my guy was almost none though I intended to do that. I hear you about the blaring music -- I'd hate that. It's a really tough call. You may want to ask the new place to pass your number on to a couple of old clients who could answer your questions objectively. Just a thought. Good luck with this decision. I don't envy you in having to make it.
Oh wow, decisions decisions... That's a hard one. I am in the process of trying to find care for Twinkle for Sept. too... A few things that would make me run from the new place are the ones you mentioned.. worksheets and videos. Sounds like they use both as babysitters since they don't require staff attention. I think TV has no place in daycare and neither do worksheets. This sounds to me like a for profit run center? The director sounds like he has no clue about preschoolers. Are the staff trained in early childhood? The children should be out in the rain building dams and sandcastles and digging holes in the dirt not sitting at tables learning nothing from a worksheet. And 3 year olds reading? Uh, this guy has been standing out in the sun too long. I cant believe he also disregards the fact that Almi is just learning another language. This is huge. She needs to be in circle time hearing stories and singing and playing with friends.
Is there an option 3? Like another one that is near your home or work that you can check out? I know you have mentioned before that the place she is at now feed her dairy and junk and blare music which is definitely a problem. I don't think even with the savings and the convenience of the new one at the school I could use this place given the chance that they may duplicate their other center. I think I would leave her where she is. The pros for her outweigh the possible cons of the other place. I'm afraid it is a really hard choice. At the end of the day, what you really need is to be able to take her there in the morning and know that while you are at work she is happy, safe and loved...
Hi Laura. "Reading at 3"? Please! These are the same children who enter Harvard at 12 ! Totally unrealistic! I am no authority, but I have a child, I was a child, & I knew you when you were a child. NONE of us were reading at 3, & we all have done okay for ourselves. I wonder if the director knows what he's talking about? Re her current daycare - the pics you have sent have been delightful! Everyone appears to be having fun & learning what it's important to know at this age. I understand your point about the music & the food. Would they respond to your donating some less rowdy CD's? As for the food, if it's just one meal a day & her other two are nutritious, that's not so bad. On the other hand, I understand your concern about money. Is it possible, as some one else intimated, to reserve her a spot at your school without giving up her other place - just so you can chat with the teachers?
Such a conundrum, I know. Mainly, our beautiful Almi needs to be happy & secure - whatever it takes. My babbling is no help,I'm sure, but just wanted to get a word in. If I had to vote - based on what I know now & without your having a chance to speak to any of the teachers at your new school - I'd vote to leave her where she is Love to you both. AuntB
Worksheets=skill by drill=YUCK!!!
As a former educational consultant whose daughter is an Early Childhood Education major and who believes 99.99999% in Jean Piaget's theory, I shout loudy,
LEAVE YOUR DAUGHTER WHERE SHE IS!!!!
Children that age learn so much through "play" and natural exploration assisted/guided when needed by adults. Babysongbird can count in several languages while holding up the correct number in fingers, knows/recognizes five colors, can point to several letters in the alphabet and make their sounds as well as several Fidels.
How did she learn this???? Naturally through play and interactions with children and adults.
The money you "think" you'll save in the other pre-school is not worth the long-term damage it may do to her love for learning as a life-long learner.
Unless the other pre-school revamps their educational approach to a more holistic one, I said leave it be.
Keep in mind - in my experience at least - spots at daycare open up quite freqently. So I would not assume that if you keep her where she is but you then discover that you like the place at your work (when you see it and meet the teachers) - that she will never get a place there. I switched Holly mid-year quite easily.
I guess I would lean toward keeping her where she is without more knowledge of the new place. Although the money aspect is tempting - don't make the decision based on that.
I'm new here. Dropped in through black boxes. I have two kids, one now in elementary school, the other now in middle school. Experienced three different daycare situations. Can't say enough about how important it is to feel comfortable leaving your child where you know she is happy, instead of worrying about it all day.
Although the old one costs more, you have managed to pay it so far, and the amount will go down a bit anyway, so it will feel like a savings regardless. I wouldn't base my decision on that.
Ten minutes extra on the commute? Totally not a big deal in my book; five minutes of it is time you can spend talking to your little one, or playing fun music for her and singing along, while you drive.
I'd stay with the current daycare unless / until you actually see the new one. See if the kids seem happy and kind. Bring her to visit it. See if she seems to like it. Then, if you want to switch, wait for an opening and make the switch.
Just my two cents.
I read this after returning from putting a deposit down on a new day care for my daughter beginning in the fall. I HATE forcing her through another transition, but it's the better option for her.
I envy your costs and locations! (I am excited to get my commute from day care to work down to just 20-25 minutes!)
My gut, FWIW, is to keep her where she is. Things sound a bit iffy at the new center, and since it's affiliated with your workplace, you'll have the chance to watch it develop, and Jennifer's right--there do tend to be last-minute openings during the school year, that you'd only know about if you have a connection--which you do! If it looks to be all that and a bag of chips, put your name on the list. Until then, I'd stay chill.
And tell them to turn down the music!!!! Little earsies!
blessings on the decision. It's just so hard to know.
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